Wednesday, January 06, 2010

An interesting question: Were the first Mormons idiots?

Rubicon posed this very interesting question over at RFM.

Here are my thoughts on why so many people came from England, Wales, Scotland and Scandinavia:-

Look at it from their point of view. Many of them were craftsmen. But they were not always paid what they were due. In Britain they lived in small, damp and cold terraced houses, often very close to the factory where they worked. If the womenfolk put the washing out on a washing line strung up in the back yard or over the alley at the back of the houses, the pollution would make it dirtier than before it was washed.

They were fed stories of the rolling pastures of Utah, how you could have as much land as you wanted, how the weather was nice and the air was pure. And would make your child with the chest condition breathe good, wholesome, clean air for the first time in its miserable life.

It is surprising that more did not accompany them.

And when they found out the awful, terrible truth?

Why, there was Sister Snitch and Bother Tittle-Tattle ready to carry tales back and then there was Brother Danite ready to make sure they toed the line!

Well, you wouldn't want to just vanish like that Scandinavian troublemaker who left a wife and three children to starve under the malevolent eye of Brother Brigham, prophet, seer and revelator, would you?

And as luck would have it, Brother Brigham had a close confidant of his marry the beautiful blond woman for himself. Joining his 12 other bitter, resentful older wives.

What's that? She's... You don't think she is officially a widow? Well, hush! If the Lord's anointed has ordained the wedding, then please say it must be so! Don't question it, for pities sake! Least you want to take the walk into the night with the Danite Brethren!

They were not idiots. The were given the hard sell and then were too terrified to be able to do anything about it.

24 comments:

Seth R. said...

Source please.

Matt said...

A source? Seth, this is a blog, not Wikipedia!

However, I suggest that you try various books and links for some background reading.

This will be of help as a primer:-
http://www.exmormon.org/goodsite.htm

You could do some research on Google, etc., will help.

Also this website will be a good poit to start from:
http://www.trialsofascension.net/mormon/blood.html

Seth R. said...

exmormon.org is a group therapy session, not a credible source.

I don't generally listen to people dominated by their own resentments.

But if you have a credible objective source, then feel free to share.

Matt said...

Then, Seth, why generally read the blogs of people that you don't generally trust?

That would generally make your motives of leaving comments on such blogs generally rather suspicious, many people might generally think.

You seem to be dominated by your own resents. May I suggest you fix yourself before attempting to remove the mote from the eye of someone else?

Seth R. said...

Mostly just to ask them to back up what they are saying. And to provide what information I have, if I think doing so will be profitable.

I suppose I could go dig up a quote from Charles Dickens where, after meeting a group of Mormons bound for America, he remarked with astonishment how they were the "best and brightest" of British culture.

If you're interested.

Matt said...

You can also research on what else he said. And on the views of Conan Doyle. And of others. If you are interested.

Seth R. said...

I've already read Conan Doyle's stuff.

He admitted that he was pretty much writing a fictional story, and not a historical work. It's a bit murky, but his stuff was obviously sensationalized and not grounded in the facts.

Kinda like the polygamous wife who wrote an "expose" about how she was locked up in the Salt Lake Temple, but managed to break one of the second story windows, from which she jumped into the Great Salt Lake and "swam to freedom."

You mean that kind of stuff?

andrew said...

The reason people came to Utah - not talking about Mormons here. Was the Mountains. Both sides of my family came here from Italy and France because of the mountains and the Home Stead Act. They were not Mormon.

I and my family choose to live here for the same reasons. The mountains and the great access to them.

I am also perplexed buy the absolute inferior intellect that is obvious in the Mormon community. They follow as sheep. two plus two equals five to the Mormons.

An example. "We know Joseph Smith is a prophet of god there for were the only true church. And we are the only true church because Joseph Smith is a prophet of god."

The other things I find interesting are:First, even after actual science has proved the book of Mormon not only incorrect but false anyone who points this out is labeled a "hater". Again closed minded thinking.

I have a hunch this blog is presented buy a Mormon who keeps an eye on what the real world is thinking. I'll continue.

There absolutely has to be a problem with any group that labels those who question or disagree with them as "haters'.

To answer the question as to why the Mormons came to Utah. We are surrounded buy mountains. The Mormons have been so hated and disliked since their invention they need security. At the time they came to Utah it offered that safety.

Today the Mormons work just Like organized crime in many ways. They extort money from their members for access. And if you speak out against them they sue - and typically loose.

andrew said...

The reason people came to Utah - not talking about Mormons here. Was the Mountains. Both sides of my family came here from Italy and France because of the mountains and the Home Stead Act. They were not Mormon.

I and my family choose to live here for the same reasons. The mountains and the great access to them.

I am also perplexed buy the absolute inferior intellect that is obvious in the Mormon community. They follow as sheep. two plus two equals five to the Mormons.

An example. "We know Joseph Smith is a prophet of god there for were the only true church. And we are the only true church because Joseph Smith is a prophet of god."

The other things I find interesting are:First, even after actual science has proved the book of Mormon not only incorrect but false anyone who points this out is labeled a "hater". Again closed minded thinking.

I have a hunch this blog is presented buy a Mormon who keeps an eye on what the real world is thinking. I'll continue.

There absolutely has to be a problem with any group that labels those who question or disagree with them as "haters'.

To answer the question as to why the Mormons came to Utah. We are surrounded buy mountains. The Mormons have been so hated and disliked since their invention they need security. At the time they came to Utah it offered that safety.

Today the Mormons work just Like organized crime in many ways. They extort money from their members for access. And if you speak out against them they sue - and typically loose.

Matt said...

Stuff like Mountain Meadows, and other such massacres. That kind of thing.

Matt said...

Hello, Andrew, thanks for your comments.

Incidentally, I am a former Mormon. I resigned from the church several years ago.

Seth R. said...

"There absolutely has to be a problem with any group that labels those who question or disagree with them as "haters'."

Such a position would indeed be wrong of Mormons. But then you can't resist adding this little gem:

"I am also perplexed buy the absolute inferior intellect that is obvious in the Mormon community. They follow as sheep. two plus two equals five to the Mormons."

Mormons all have automatically inferior intellects, do they?

Now where have I heard ideas like that before? Hmmm....

And no, the Book of Mormon has not been "disproven by science" except in the minds of those who understand neither the Book of Mormon, nor science.

Seth R. said...

Matt, I wonder what your basis for suggesting that the Mountain Meadows massacre shows typical Mormon behavior is.

Matt said...

Seth, you prove that it wasn't typical of the time.

But do so on your own website, OK?

Seth R. said...

Is this an invitation to quit disagreeing with you?

Matt said...

You can disagree with whomever you like.

Seth R. said...

Obviously, I was referring to comments written here.

Matt said...

If you do not like the comments written here, the answer is in your own hands.

Seth R. said...

Let's just be clear here.

Would you like me to stop disagreeing with you (and other commenters) in the comments section of this post?

Matt said...

Seth, do you know how long it takes to set up a blog at Blogger.com? No? Then find out.

Seth R. said...

I'll take that as a "yes" then.

Best wishes.

Matt said...

You can take it any way you like, Seth.

www.blogger.com

Fantastic service.

Anonymous said...

seth...yes mormons are intellectually inferior. Anyone who believes a guy found some gold tablets in field and only he could translate them is an idiot. Seriously? "Hey lets see those gold tablets Joe!" "ummm uhh uh the uh angel...yeah the angel took them away to heaven yeah thats it"

Mygaffer said...

Who cares about the first, today's Mormons are total idiots. I treat them nicely but the whole time I am thinking, "you poor, stupid schlub".